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it's allowing me to go deeper into this

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question like what is that what is it

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that we're transcending what it well you

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know it where are we going and it seems

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to me you and I talked about before that

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we're we're always in the middle you

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know like we think about people 400

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years ago we talked a lot of skeptical

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about the the sort of denouncing the

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ridiculous

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dopey materialism that formulated three

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four hundred years ago but we think

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about the people before that and how

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ridiculous and silly they were and yet

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we think we have it figured out now and

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we have to have the email to know that

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in four hundred years people in the

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future gonna look at us and just think

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how silly and stupid we were for the

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things we did and believe there's a

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humility in that and that were we are

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moving towards something and yet we

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don't know where and so so there's this

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idea that we're always in the middle so

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we're always in motion but we don't

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really know where we're gonna get to and

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we're gonna die without ever having yet

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that got in there at least as far as we

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know here in the physical sense so so

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when I so that the word transcend when

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we pick that word it came with this

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question and I think that's the thing

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that's a that's a joy for me because I

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love digging into these questions and

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that's where I'm left with with

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transcend now my goal for people is

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transformation to help them change and

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grow in whatever form that means for

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them but really transcend is my that's

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my question that's like my that's that's

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very personal to me

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whereas transformation is sort of the

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the professional goal of the project to

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help people have a transformative

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experience you know absolutely love this

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idea of we're always in the middle and

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the first time I heard that from you

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were walking on the beach in Del Mar and

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I was like man I gotta write that down

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and use that I think I might paste it

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into this video presentation because

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it's so powerful on a lot of different

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levels and in the way that you talked

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about it just terms of pragmatically

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through history but obviously you're

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also tapping into the deeper personal

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spiritual understanding of hey man what

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were never we're never gonna get there

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we never really are away from where we